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Quote digitata Replybullet Topic: REN paper on applying the 'limits' approach
    Posted: 20 Feb 2007 at 12:51pm
REN - the Regional Environment Network - has completed a paper on applying the 'limits' concept in the region. This briefing looks at Defra's emerging framework for the limits approach and seeks to apply this to 4 key areas - consumption and ecological footprint, climate change, landscape, and biodiversity. It suggests a number of  key recommendations and recognises that much work is still needed in the region if we are to adopt a comprehensive approach to this concept in practice. Perhaps most importantly it reasserts the need for existing high level statements on environmental limits to be applied with rigour.
 
The paper will be available within a few days both on this forum and on the REN webpages:
www.swenvo.org.uk/SWREN/Env_Limits_SWREN_Background_Paper_Feb07_FINAL.doc
 
We hope the paper makes a useful contribution to this great debate.
 
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REN is an independent network of environmental bodies working to promote, protect and enhance the South West's environment.


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Quote James Replybullet Posted: 21 Feb 2007 at 1:32am
Hi - this sounds like an interesting paper. Couple of questions, though.

How does it link to the Fair Shares Fair Choice initiative that I saw has been launched by Sustainability South West. The SSW one is talking about a clearly defined carbon footprint for everyone - and a programme of reducing that allowance by 30% by 2016.

Has the REN paper been prepared with some of the key organisations in the region? Without the local authorities, Assembly, RDA, CBI, Housing Corporation etc agreeing with the recommendations AND the workings out, it won't have the impact that it should have.

Not sure that environmental organisations have quite shaken off the "well meaning but woolly" label with some people. This despite the now very obvious information about climate change.

T'was ever thus.

But good on you REN for taking on an important issue.
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Quote Viv FSB Replybullet Posted: 22 Feb 2007 at 11:57am
In the SW, we have another problem and that is 'limits' vs 'pretty'. So far many 'green' decisions have been taken to protect the 'pretty' at the cost of greater resource use.
 
Anyone any suggestions as to how this one is resolved?
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Quote digitata Replybullet Posted: 22 Feb 2007 at 3:00pm
James,
 
the REN paper views climate services as just one of the functions provided by natural systems. SSWs Fair Shares is a focus on carbon reduction, again a sub-set of the bigger issue.
 
The REN paper certainly hasnt been out to a wider audience. It is a prompt for this discussion and others. It could be taken in all sorts of directions - lets see where this debate goes.
 
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Quote digitata Replybullet Posted: 22 Feb 2007 at 3:04pm
Viv,
 
if it helps the REN paper includes a section on landscape. If 'pretty' is a proxy for this then there are some thoughts in the paper about how to approach this issue (which as you suggest is a big one in the region).
 
But to take your thought on - I suppose you are suggesting some contradictions out there, but are you sure you have spotted these?
 
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Quote James Replybullet Posted: 26 Mar 2007 at 2:33am
Landscape is important - especially as a resource for tourism and as part of what attracts people to live and work in a place. (Biodiversity picked up elsewhere).

As you say in earlier post, there are all sorts of natural services that we rely on and climate is just one. However, there are probably only one or two that have the potential to threaten humanity (among other species). Climate is one of those and I would hazard that topsoil loss is another.

Hence the point that Viv raised. In the great scheme, I would have to prioritise climate over views if it came to that sort of question - because of the scale of problem. My observation over last 10 years is that the 'pretty' has won out over 'limits' if we think about things like onshore wind.

A better, more honest, agreement about which landscapes are untouchable, which are precious and which are less important - would be very useful.

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Quote digitata Replybullet Posted: 02 Apr 2007 at 10:19am
Dont think the issue is about 'pretty' or 'untouchable', the 'limits' approach offers a different discipline, decision making as we approach a 'threshold' and then as we approach breaking any 'limit'. The absolute point at which both are approached is mediated both by the technical and the social. Have a quick scan of the REN paper?
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